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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 05:00:00 -
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What's AUR?
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 05:14:00 -
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Alex,
Trust me, they understand it. They've just stop caring, therefore stopped listening to the majority. They're now listneing to CSM null carebears that want to dress up and play barbie dolls and ride sparkly ponies while their mindless bots rat and mine in their sov.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Dusty Warrior Alex,
Trust me, they understand it. They've just stop caring, therefore stopped listening to the majority. They're now listneing to CSM null carebears that want to dress up and play barbie dolls and ride sparkly ponies while their mindless bots rat and mine in their sov.
So many tears and not enough containers to fit them in.
Typical response from a typical player who doesn't understand the remifications of such implementations.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 06:31:00 -
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Alex,
IMHO CCP has given EVE the last major expansion if you can even call Incarna an expansion. From the CSM minutes I see nothing of real relevance in the upcoming expansion.
I would venture to say once winter expansion hits, the largest number of "Bitter Vets" will have left or at the door step waiting to see. Personally I have a few weeks left with my accounts and like many, don't plan on renewing.
It is of my opinion that CCP is banking on WOD to be their next "Cash Cow" of which I personally feel is a fallacy in thinking. Why? I feel it's crave much like Pokemon was years ago and we see little if any of Pokemon now.
However, space has never been a fad. I think its reasonably safe to assume that in RL every kid, for that matter adult, has at one time or another stared toward the stars with wonder and awe. EVE... in some kind of crazy way, feeds that wonderment and awe factor for many of us rather we admit it or are even conscious of it.
Personally, I don't find WOD or DUST attracting anywhere near the players EVE is capable of attracting if they were to turn their focus back to fixing broken content and repairing the damage done to customer relations.
IMO It's time that CCP starts acting like a company and professionals they have proven to be years ago and not a fan club for the elitist.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
It is of my opinion that CCP is banking on WOD to be their next "Cash Cow" of which I personally feel is a fallacy in thinking. Why? I feel it's a fad much like Pokemon or any other fad. They come and go like the wind. However, space has never been a fad.
To be fair. The idea of vampires isn't a "fad" the stories and fascination with them have been around for hundreds of years. If your talking about the "twilight" fad then yes, however if you even know what WoD was actually based off of its far from the twilight theme. Honestly I think that CCP has a higher chance of success with WoD then they do with Dust. That is if they continue to make it based off of V:TM theme and not break down and make it mainstream(aka twilight).
Valid point, but I still see WOD as being a fleeting fad.
Just the other day in my country, a young man was arrested for breaking into the home of a woman and biting her on the neck. He told the authorities he was a 500 year old vampire and needed to feed.
How many more incidents like this do you think it will take before the mainstream media condemns references to vampires to include MMOs.
Personally... If I were CCP, I'd be concerned with the possible liabilities. Let one idiot (described above) go out and kill one person and make reference to an MMO. You know it will happen! Some lone loser idiot will use WOD as an excuse as to why they bit someone on the neck. The media will go viral and the lawsuits will fly! Doesn't mean they'll win, they don't have to win to make someone lose.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 18/08/2011 07:24:20
Originally by: Molokhe
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
It is of my opinion that CCP is banking on WOD to be their next "Cash Cow" of which I personally feel is a fallacy in thinking. Why? I feel it's a fad much like Pokemon or any other fad. They come and go like the wind. However, space has never been a fad.
To be fair. The idea of vampires isn't a "fad" the stories and fascination with them have been around for hundreds of years. If your talking about the "twilight" fad then yes, however if you even know what WoD was actually based off of its far from the twilight theme. Honestly I think that CCP has a higher chance of success with WoD then they do with Dust. That is if they continue to make it based off of V:TM theme and not break down and make it mainstream(aka twilight).
But surely since WoD has only been about since 1991, it must be a fad. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Actually.. that was oWoD that was released in 1991. WoD was released in 2004 and yes... still a fad. IMO -provided I'm allowed to have an opinion, oh great wise one. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 07:47:00 -
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Tbh I don't really mind if you call it a fad or not thats your opinion. It just bugs me when people completely shrug off WoD and call it "emo twilight" without actually knowing what its based off of.
Yeah, understood. It bugs me when someone assumes I've based my opinion(s) on the assumptions of others. However I've always been keen to independant thought.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 18/08/2011 07:40:13
Originally by: Molokhe But surely since WoD has only been about since 1991, it must be a fad. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
To put that into perspective, WoD has been "just a fad" at least four times in the 20 years it has been out:
Once on its own, because it was just some silly new gameā Once more during the Ann Rice revival in the mid '90s after film version of Interview came out. Again during the late '90s/early '00s in connection to the Blade films. And now again in connection to Twilight/True Blood.
āand that's just being conservative. The V:TM TV series? Now that was a fad (until the lead actor died), but that was just an instance of someone making mint of the franchise, not of the franchise itself being a fad. It has been horribly tenacious.
Originally by: Dusty Warrior Actually.. that was oWoD that was released in 1991. WoD was released in 2004 and yes... still a fad.
āand it's oWoD that is being turned into an MMO. Also, 20 makes it slightly less of a fad than the Internet. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
If it had run strong for 20 years I'd say "yes". But by your own post it's been a fad 4 times in the past 20 years. So... how long has EVE been going now? How many subs? 300K?
We'll see... personally I hope it's a success for CCP. I won't play it because I have no interest. Never cared anything about 500 year old bats as I already live with one. (Yes that was mean. )
Different strokes for different folks I guess. We'll need to wait and see how successful WoD will be, I just don't see it capable of holding an audience captive as long as EVE's been able to hold it's audience. Not continuos anyway.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 18/08/2011 17:09:29
Originally by: Noroswen I really do not understand, why is it any more complicated than if you do not like NEX do not use it?
Noroswen,
I don't think anyone would have had a problem if CCP had introduced the items in the NEX store without AUR and the fact those items can't be destroyed.
Very few people offered tears when they introduced let's say the Orca. Why? Because anyone could/can manufacture/purchase it without the need to purchase a different type of ingame currency to do so, nor did the ship in this example appear out of thin air.
CCP only added more fuel when they announced said items can not be destroyed. I think many fear (Evident by the shear number of posts pertaining to this issue.) that progression toward this direction will delude CCPs once aggressive stance on adding content 'ALL" can enjoy, not just the prescribed elitest or RL people with the extra cash to squander on pixels.
I realize at this point it's more conjecture than reality, but believe it to be a major turning point for many players including myself.
By injecting a new form of currency, forcing you to unsaddle your pod upon station entry and injecting items that can't be destroyed. My opinon CCP has to a certain degree broken the total immersive quality EVE once had.
I also think you're seeing the flustration in it's totality to what many perceive as a disconnect from the playerbase, not just this issue, but on many fronts.
I'll also mention the aggravation many feel towards the usless rhetoric spewing from the CSM and fanbois. Their attempts to spin this into a witch hunt for anyone who might disagree with their self-centered egotistical self-serving mentality has done nothing to ease the tentions, in fact, probably has done more harm to the bottom line for CCP than anything they might have done thus far.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Arguing this point is like arguing that a character in your favorite book is not really dead even when the author says his heart stops beating and his life is lost.
Actually, when were you ever able to purchase clothing before Incarna? Everything purchased before Incarna was/is destructible to include PLEX.
Now out of the blue something you can purchase on the market is now indestructable. So.. what is your point?
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:36:00 -
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in essence:
Clothes before Incarna were never an object to make profit from. Now they are, therefore, they should fall into the "Risk v Reward" argument and should be given the same treament as anything else that is ingame.
If you can't understand that then I'm wasting my time.
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Dusty Warrior in essence:
Clothes before Incarna were never an object to make profit from. Now they are, therefore, they should fall into the "Risk v Reward" argument and should be given the same treament as anything else that is ingame.
If you can't understand that then I'm wasting my time.
They already do, the same way PLEX do, you can put the clothing in your cargo bay and undock with it. You can also put PLEX in your cargo hold and undock with it.
But once you consume the item, it is no longer destructible.
So... can I not put on some clothes an move to another station and take them off and sell them? Can you do that with a PLEX?
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Dusty Warrior in essence:
Clothes before Incarna were never an object to make profit from. Now they are, therefore, they should fall into the "Risk v Reward" argument and should be given the same treament as anything else that is ingame.
If you can't understand that then I'm wasting my time.
They already do, the same way PLEX do, you can put the clothing in your cargo bay and undock with it. You can also put PLEX in your cargo hold and undock with it.
But once you consume the item, it is no longer destructible.
So... can I not put on some clothes an move to another station and take them off and sell them? Can you do that with a PLEX?
I was hoping you would bring that up, and I agree, either CCP needs to close that loophole or concede to it.
If they close it, consumed items should be indestructible. If they leave it open, they should always be destructible.
Agreed though I wasn't clear at first this is where I feel CCP has flawed.
I think you and I can agree that if there is a potential of reward, so should there be equal risk.
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:53:00 -
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Drama much? Are you going to wave your ladybag toward me next and shriek loudly in a feminine voice?
Nah... you're doing quite well with this on your own.
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mendolus
Originally by: Tippia ...
But this is now bordering on the Trekkie problem, at what point does fine-toothing the details of a fictional piece of entertainment lose its intrinsic value?
Does it actually matter if the NEX items are destructible? And why? Can they be reprocessed? Can they affect combat? Do they provide advantages in the game that others may not have access to?
If NEX items have no actual impact on the game, does it matter if they make no sense or not?
They have an impact because one can make profits by reselling them. Again.. where is the risk if you're going to offer reward?
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